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een intresant stukje over keta wat ik tegen kwam op een andere site.
en aangezien er nog te wijnig informatie op deze site staat over ketamine d8 ik hey laat ik het eens posten.
Dangers
There's lot of people who say ketamine is unsafe as one doesn't know much about it, and
that one doesn't have an idea what the long-term effects are, as it's a new drug on the
dance scene. Even a lot of people who take XTC regularly are often scared of ketamine. How
wrong they are.
Ketamine might be much newer than XTC (ketamine got patented in 1962, XTC in 1912,
cocaine and heroine were first produced in the 19th century), but unlike XTC ketamine has
been in use for medical purposes for a few decades, and there have been over 6000 scientific
articles published on ketamine, compared to less than 1000 on XTC.
Compared to other recreational drugs (cannabis, XTC, cocaine, LSD) ketamine might even be
the safest drugs around. It's still in use, not just on animals, but also on people. It's very
popular in the 3rd world and in wars, as it's safe and easy to administer (compared to other
anesthetics), and even in the western world it's still used to anesthetize people, mostly
children and people with breathing or heart problems. If ketamine had such bad side effects, it
wouldn't have survived over 3 decades of medical usage.
Falling Over
Dr John Lilly once stated that the biggest danger of ketamine is the fact that one could fall
over. Ketamine is an anesthetic, it numbs you, your muscles get weak. People who try
ketamine for the first time in a club often have problems walking or simply standing, and usually
have to sit down. An additional danger is that one could hurt oneself, and - because of the
anesthetic properties of ketamine - might not feel that one is hurt. Dr John Lilly once fell and
almost drowned in a bath when he was doing ketamine.
Addiction
A bigger though less direct danger is the danger of addiction. Some people who have been on
a proper K-trip, with an out-of-body experience and all that, have problems dealing with the real
world, and often can't wait to get back to that "other dimension". One also builds up a
tolerance to ketamine quit fast, so people tend to do more and more to get the same effects.
Especially people who take ketamine to escape from our "real" world are in danger of
getting addicted.
Fear
Less dangerous but often very scary is the new experience of ketamine. Ketamine is very
different from most drugs, it knocks you out physically, and if you've never experienced K
before, this can be very scary. It's not (physically) dangerous though, apart from the fact that
you could fall over.
The best thing is to just sit or lie down, have a friend in the neighborhood, and wait until the
effects of the drug wear off. Taking lots of sugar often helps. Energy drinks like Red Bull work
particularly well. Some people advice to take cocaine to come out of a K-hole, but I don't
think it's a good idea to fight the effects of one drug with another drug.
Psychological Effects
There are no direct physical or psychological dangers of ketamine. Or better: it's never been
proven that ketamine can cause permanent damage. There have been cases where people
who did lots of ketamine experienced nightmares, terror, numbness, sweating, fear,
headaches, etc, but often it wasn't clear what exactly was the cause of these. Often these
people had psychological problems to start with. Especially people who are susceptible to
psychosis or schizofrenia should stay away from ketamine. Then again, people with those
problems shouldn't be doing drugs at all.
Bad trips do occur. This is not caused by the ketamine itself though. It's totally dependent on
the state of mind of the person who takes the drug. If you go into the K-hole in a negative state
of mind, the trip into the K-hole is very likely to be a bda one. If one feels good, pysically and
mentally, the trip is rarely a bad one.
Physical Effects
K rarely causes stomach problems or vomiting, as one often sees with XTC or GHB.
Overheating as with XTC or spasms as with GHB don't happen either. A large dose of K
causes the blood pressure to rise, but this is only temporarily, and not dangerous. Heart
problems caused by K are very rare too, and only happen if people inject quite a lot of K in one
hit.
People with heart problems, high blood pressure, and people who suffer from glaucoma should
stay away from ketamine though.
Overdose
A ketamine overdose is almost impossible. If you take too much the worst that will happen is
that you go unconscious, like in an operation. Or better: you get "dissociated". There are
several known cases where people injected 10 grams of Ketamine - 10 times the normal
anesthetic dose - and didn't suffer from any long-term effects afterwards.
This doesn't mean that an overdose is impossible. Experiments on animals have shown that
50% of animals die from a dose higher than 77 mg of K per kilo of body weight. This
corresponds to an average person (of about 70 kilos) injecting over 5 grams of ketamine.
Note that we are talking about intravenous injection here, directly into the blood stream. Most
psychonauts that do inject use intramuscularly injections. And snorting is much less effective,
and it would be impossible to snort several grams of ketamine in a short period of time, as the
mucous membranes of the nose can not take up ketamine that quickly.
Harm minimization
In short: Ketamine is relatively safe as compared to other drugs, even alcohol or nicotine. This
doesn't mean that everybody should go out and experiment. If one has never done it and
really wants to give it a try, the best thing is to have someone near that has done the drug
before, and that knows what it does to you. If you're physically and mentally healthy, there's
not much to fear from ketamine.
BRON:
en aangezien er nog te wijnig informatie op deze site staat over ketamine d8 ik hey laat ik het eens posten.
Dangers
There's lot of people who say ketamine is unsafe as one doesn't know much about it, and
that one doesn't have an idea what the long-term effects are, as it's a new drug on the
dance scene. Even a lot of people who take XTC regularly are often scared of ketamine. How
wrong they are.
Ketamine might be much newer than XTC (ketamine got patented in 1962, XTC in 1912,
cocaine and heroine were first produced in the 19th century), but unlike XTC ketamine has
been in use for medical purposes for a few decades, and there have been over 6000 scientific
articles published on ketamine, compared to less than 1000 on XTC.
Compared to other recreational drugs (cannabis, XTC, cocaine, LSD) ketamine might even be
the safest drugs around. It's still in use, not just on animals, but also on people. It's very
popular in the 3rd world and in wars, as it's safe and easy to administer (compared to other
anesthetics), and even in the western world it's still used to anesthetize people, mostly
children and people with breathing or heart problems. If ketamine had such bad side effects, it
wouldn't have survived over 3 decades of medical usage.
Falling Over
Dr John Lilly once stated that the biggest danger of ketamine is the fact that one could fall
over. Ketamine is an anesthetic, it numbs you, your muscles get weak. People who try
ketamine for the first time in a club often have problems walking or simply standing, and usually
have to sit down. An additional danger is that one could hurt oneself, and - because of the
anesthetic properties of ketamine - might not feel that one is hurt. Dr John Lilly once fell and
almost drowned in a bath when he was doing ketamine.
Addiction
A bigger though less direct danger is the danger of addiction. Some people who have been on
a proper K-trip, with an out-of-body experience and all that, have problems dealing with the real
world, and often can't wait to get back to that "other dimension". One also builds up a
tolerance to ketamine quit fast, so people tend to do more and more to get the same effects.
Especially people who take ketamine to escape from our "real" world are in danger of
getting addicted.
Fear
Less dangerous but often very scary is the new experience of ketamine. Ketamine is very
different from most drugs, it knocks you out physically, and if you've never experienced K
before, this can be very scary. It's not (physically) dangerous though, apart from the fact that
you could fall over.
The best thing is to just sit or lie down, have a friend in the neighborhood, and wait until the
effects of the drug wear off. Taking lots of sugar often helps. Energy drinks like Red Bull work
particularly well. Some people advice to take cocaine to come out of a K-hole, but I don't
think it's a good idea to fight the effects of one drug with another drug.
Psychological Effects
There are no direct physical or psychological dangers of ketamine. Or better: it's never been
proven that ketamine can cause permanent damage. There have been cases where people
who did lots of ketamine experienced nightmares, terror, numbness, sweating, fear,
headaches, etc, but often it wasn't clear what exactly was the cause of these. Often these
people had psychological problems to start with. Especially people who are susceptible to
psychosis or schizofrenia should stay away from ketamine. Then again, people with those
problems shouldn't be doing drugs at all.
Bad trips do occur. This is not caused by the ketamine itself though. It's totally dependent on
the state of mind of the person who takes the drug. If you go into the K-hole in a negative state
of mind, the trip into the K-hole is very likely to be a bda one. If one feels good, pysically and
mentally, the trip is rarely a bad one.
Physical Effects
K rarely causes stomach problems or vomiting, as one often sees with XTC or GHB.
Overheating as with XTC or spasms as with GHB don't happen either. A large dose of K
causes the blood pressure to rise, but this is only temporarily, and not dangerous. Heart
problems caused by K are very rare too, and only happen if people inject quite a lot of K in one
hit.
People with heart problems, high blood pressure, and people who suffer from glaucoma should
stay away from ketamine though.
Overdose
A ketamine overdose is almost impossible. If you take too much the worst that will happen is
that you go unconscious, like in an operation. Or better: you get "dissociated". There are
several known cases where people injected 10 grams of Ketamine - 10 times the normal
anesthetic dose - and didn't suffer from any long-term effects afterwards.
This doesn't mean that an overdose is impossible. Experiments on animals have shown that
50% of animals die from a dose higher than 77 mg of K per kilo of body weight. This
corresponds to an average person (of about 70 kilos) injecting over 5 grams of ketamine.
Note that we are talking about intravenous injection here, directly into the blood stream. Most
psychonauts that do inject use intramuscularly injections. And snorting is much less effective,
and it would be impossible to snort several grams of ketamine in a short period of time, as the
mucous membranes of the nose can not take up ketamine that quickly.
Harm minimization
In short: Ketamine is relatively safe as compared to other drugs, even alcohol or nicotine. This
doesn't mean that everybody should go out and experiment. If one has never done it and
really wants to give it a try, the best thing is to have someone near that has done the drug
before, and that knows what it does to you. If you're physically and mentally healthy, there's
not much to fear from ketamine.
BRON:
Eigen ervaring, en veel gelezen. Vooral het boek van Karl Jansen ("Ketamine - Dreams & Realities") geeft veel informatie. 2 jaar verder en vele K ervaringen verder (van mezelf en van anderen) denk ik nog steeds dat de belangrijkste gevaren zijn:
- je pijn doen omdat je valt of simpelweg geen pijn voelt (...);
- verslaving.
Wat dat laatste betreft, ooit schreef ik in een K-hole eens op een stuk papier het woord "fata morgana". Je weet wel, zo'n waanvoostelling die je in de woestijn ziet, waarbij je een oase ziet op een plek waar ie helemaal niet is. In een K-hole lijk je vaak de antwoorden - of beter Het Antwoord Op Alle Vragen te vinden. Maar dat antwoord lijkt net om de hoek. Je kunt het net niet helemaal bevatten. En dan heb je snel de neiging om steeds weer op zoek te gaan naar dat antwoord.